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fruziakazimierska (October 3, 2008 at 8:00 pm)
(continued) Happily, it did not come to pass and simply through practice they have become fixtures in the musical world. For reasons impossible to fathom, the natural trumpet playing was not PRACTISED and the effects are as you can see. But things are beginning to change. There are some conductors (e.g. Kuijken) who realise the problem and have their musicians play the real thing, also in concert. Believe me, once you`ve heard it performed thus, it`s impossible to listen to it done otherwise.
fruziakazimierska (October 3, 2008 at 7:39 pm)
(continued) But when those improvements were made (roughly in the 2nd half of the XIX c.) people began to realise there`s something wrong with those instruments - the quality of sound became much poorer. Brahms for example disliked the modern valved horn and for his Trio op. 40 he expressly demanded the natural one. Some 40 or 50 years ago, when the HIP movement was taking off, there were serious voices saying that the early instruments should be "replaced" if they really sounded like that.
fruziakazimierska (October 3, 2008 at 7:16 pm)
AndyHirt - thanks for your erudite comment. The Brandenburg is an extreme example and thus unrepresentative - I wouldn`t advise anyone to try it in public (but I would pledge my birthright to have it on CD).I don`t quite see the point in your mentioning this line of period treatises - if you read ANY period text on ANY early instrument you`ll see that they are lamenting their practical drawbacks and crying out for improvements.
AndyHirt (October 3, 2008 at 1:46 pm)
Hmm...fruziakakakaka,whatever, you are uneducated. Read the Altenburg, Fantini, Bendenelli, et al. Valentine Snow sucked. Pull your head out of your bum. Read. Learn. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
AndyHirt (October 3, 2008 at 1:19 pm)
Stop this. You are wasting your time. Stop justifying your position. I remember Don Smithers play the Brandenburg when I was a boy (in Syracuse). He blew the roof off the place-ended up an octave. He then 'wised up.' Then he played with no tone-hole openings. I worked with Peter (Roger's son) Voisin on trumpet. 'Long story on that-turned me on to Tarr. I'm here at Otago U. trying to show N.T. is the basis of natural scale. Don't sweat these comments. 8'vs.4' is huge. U R a good man. Courage!
doctorgino2 (September 24, 2008 at 9:22 pm)
nice versione, but i sincerly prefer the hogwood's one... it is more... mmm... faithful? it really seems to trust in God
crispiansp (September 23, 2008 at 10:29 pm)
I am fully in sympathy with your views. I call this instrument the "Baroque Trumpet" since it is suitable for this music if played with good taste - but this is not always the case. I play these pieces on NATURAL Trumpet in my recitals but unfortunately conductors and promoters are not really interested in doing what they think is "taking a risk".
fruziakazimierska (September 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm)
Yet again to continue - I think it would be as well to initiate scholarly debate as to how to name that hybrid instrument - that would help prevent many misconceptions from proliferation, as is sadly witnessed in this discussion list. One last thing - with the Handel year just a few months away, would it be possible to hear Water and Fireworks Music played naturally?
fruziakazimierska (September 17, 2008 at 12:58 pm)
Crispiansp - thank you very much for your illuminating comment.I`m not a trumpet player and nowhere have I said I can do it better. I know and appreciate your recordings but I thought you use natural instruments only incidentally as I`ve read one seemingly unfavourable statement on them on your part (Gramophone Awards Issue`05). Your playing in this clip is excellent, probably the finest in my experience, but the problem is that the instrument is wrong.
chockablocked (September 16, 2008 at 6:24 pm)
Mr. CSP, Your natural trumpet playing is superb. Fruziak's comments are absurd. Better to ignore him, as he seems to know nothing about the trumpet, or trumpet playing. |
